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gameplayer
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 Posted - 06/08/2013 : 04:19:34
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When you click on full screen from any game, it does not make the game screen larger. It makes the box around it taller or longer, but the game screen remains the same size. Therefore, it is very difficult to play most of the games I like on here or games that require use of the arrow keys. At least when you used the full screen on arrow key games, it didn't make the screen move all over the place. It was working fine, but I think yesterday early morning was when it stopped working properly. This needs to be fixed.
Also, this is happening on both the old site and the new site. Methinks the new site is the problem.
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Edited by - gameplayer on 06/08/2013 04:40:34 |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 06:13:46
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Well, I think it's time for me to walk away from this site...again. It's those scripts...or relating to those scripts.
When there's a problem it is not resolved in a timely manner.
So before I say or do something that either Haplo or myself will regret, it is best if I just walk away quietly.
Someone e-mail or message me when issues get resolved and I may...or may not...return. |
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gameplayer
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 06:51:53
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| I hear ya', Rock. Heading that direction myself. |
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haplo
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 11:49:25
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You guys always assume the worst... o ye of little faith
In this case, there has been a separate change of the last few days that is completely unrelated to the new site. The primary funding of the website comes from google ads. When google asks me to do something, I listen. From time to time, google contacts me with concerns it has about its placement of ads. Actually, they send me an email saying "you have 3 days to fix this or we're going to shut off ads to your site". Kinda scary really, and it has happened once before that they weren't happy with my changes / didnt feel they were sufficient, and I had to appeal their decision to get us back on the program. Occasionally their request relates to mature/adult content that has appeared on the site (not allowed), and sometimes it relates to ad placement/location (restricted in certain ways).
I've had to change the homepage and the game page layouts in the past, but they had always been okay with the fullscreen page. Now they've decided it wasn't good enough: the ads were too close to the flash content. (Perfectly understandable really, they don't want accidental clicks and lots of flash games have you clicking around all over the place). It's always a judgment call and I do my best to put the ads in optimal places while staying within their rules, but it's a big site and once in a while google and I don't see things the same way. In addition they didn't like a couple of the games like Spank the Booty, which I had thought was borderline but general PG-enough to have kept around. But I can see their points.
So, because I got the dreaded email, I re-evaluated all this pronto. I can understand their viewpoint, and the site is about the collection/community of everything that is here (games,players) not just any individual game. So just like I had done in the past, 2 days ago I deleted the games they had a problem with, and took steps to address their layout concerns.
A big problem with google is that sometimes they don't have exact guidelines on what is/isn't allowed -- and understandably sometimes the matter is subjective. (A bigger problem is that google is very difficult to contact/communicate with when you have a support issue, but that's another matter). Generally the idea is "do what's best for the user". In this case, the best guideline I could find is that they suggest having at least 150px margin between the ad and the flash game. To comply to the best of my ability (because I don't want their ads to be shut off, and if it were it can sometimes be difficult to get them to change their mind), I added a 152px margin/content cell on the left and the right.
As soon as I did it, I thought, well that's kind crappy, especially on smaller monitors the game isn't really big enough for it to feel "fullscreen" like it should. I'll have to think about this. But this is a bare minimum of what I need to do to make google happy, so I can work from here.
Today is the 3rd day since I got their email. From past experiences, I know that they are probably evaluating it right now, and if I don't hear from them by the end of the day, we're in the clear. Yeah, you get 3 days and then the hammer comes down, and if you pass the test they don't even send you a courtesy email, you just don't hear anything else. It's not a very pretty ad program honestly but it pays well enough.
I'm sure you can understand why in this kind of situation my first instinct isn't to advertise it to everybody, it's just one of the costs of doing business. And sometimes business isn't pretty.
In any case, my current solution is, assuming google is okay with the 152px margin, leave the layout like that when their ads are displayed, but make it so that logged in users (i.e., everybody) don't see ads on that page at all, so the game will be much closer to fullscreen. So ads on that page would only show up for guests. Like having the ring of clarity bonus that removes ads from the site, but for just that one page, for everybody (logged in). This fix will be implemented today. |
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gameplayer
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:15:47
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I appreciate all that you have to deal with Haplo, but we are not assuming the worst. We are expressing what happens as it relates to us and our game playing on your site, that's it, no more, no less. And for the record, I have dealt with code in the past which is why I posted what I did in a previous forum.
Plus, ty. It appears the full screen is fixed for now. |
Edited by - gameplayer on 06/08/2013 12:30:32 |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:21:35
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| Google ads? Well yeah, I know they pay well. VERY well, in fact. But I also know there is a reason they pay so well. You probably know that also Haplo. OOoooh...I'm biting my tongue to keep from saying something that I shouldn't! Ouch! That hurts too!!! But not saying anything bad about you Haplo. It's like one of those "devil if you do and devil if you don't" type things. But Google ads? Well, I know you gotta. I know this site don't pay itself. Your HUGE company pays you well enough already. <joking> I just NEVER have and NEVER will like Google ads. I'll just say they have "issues" and leave it at that. But you gotta do what you gotta do. Right, Haplo? |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 12:30:41
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Well FULL screen is NOT fixed for me. FULL screen is SMALLER than the original game screen.
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Originally posted by gameplayer
I appreciate all that you have to deal with Haplo, but we are not assuming the worst. We are expressing what happens as it relates to us and our game playing on your site, that's it, no more, no less.
Plus, ty. It appears the full screen is fixed for now.
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haplo
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 13:54:42
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| Now it is rock. |
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haplo
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 14:05:45
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| I've been thinking about adding other sources of funding so that we can rely less on google ads. Perhaps some form of fixed advertising, like selling ad spaces on the homepages with a signup form interface for any person/org to buy an ad for a fixed rate per month (with nofollow on the link so google doesn't object). Or perhaps some form of user-sponsorships, like donations or even something like selling gold directly. Of course, I would have to think twice (and three times, and four times) before making a potentially serious change to the economy of the site. Then again I don't know if it would affect much. I have no idea, just thinking out loud here at some possibilities I have been considering. I, also, don't much like the reliance on google. |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:10:54
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Since we have opened up this can of worms, originally I had seen where things had happened to the Google server and the ads were slow or not even visible at all. This slowed down the site until the ads were visible...or nothing happened at all because the ads were not visible. But I haven't seen this issue in quite some time...UNLESS this may be the reason this site runs slow. Hmmm? <thinking>
But my PRIMARY concern with Google is security. In the past couple years it has been widely reported that Google is obtaining more user information than it should. |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:30:15
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I can't speak much for any other PIOTW player. I can only speak for myself. But I am currently paying good money to play 2 games on another site. My paying gives me certain advantages on these 2 games.
One advantage is I get to pick and choose who plays "my game" or who doesn't play "my game". For instance, take my featured game of Ztar as an example. I, more or less, "buy" that game. Therefore I control that game. I can delete ANYONE who scores too high. Therefore, "my" players are all around my own skill level. The game is also in a higher quality too. The price? $13 for 3 months. There are also 1, 6 and 12 month options too. Other players can also "own" their own version of Ztar as well and they have full control of their own version.
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Originally posted by haplo
I've been thinking about adding other sources of funding so that we can rely less on google ads. Perhaps some form of fixed advertising, like selling ad spaces on the homepages with a signup form interface for any person/org to buy an ad for a fixed rate per month (with nofollow on the link so google doesn't object). Or perhaps some form of user-sponsorships, like donations or even something like selling gold directly. Of course, I would have to think twice (and three times, and four times) before making a potentially serious change to the economy of the site. Then again I don't know if it would affect much. I have no idea, just thinking out loud here at some possibilities I have been considering. I, also, don't much like the reliance on google.
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haplo
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 18:55:40
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| How interesting... |
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