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toast
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 Posted - 03/31/2012 : 18:20:15
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since we no longer have the catagory of "View all 1st Place Highscores" under a players history, doesnt really warrant the cost of a Ring Of Smoke.
My questions are, will the ring of smoke cost be lowered, and if so by how much?
Will those who paid full price, be given back the difference?
And WHY has this catagory been removed?
Is it because people are complaining? And if so, WHY, and WHAT are the valid reasons for this change?
I know we can still view a players history of the last games they played etc, however, paying for the ring of smoke in the first place was to protect a players highscore history. Without it being there as a catagory now, seems pointless in even having it.
With that in mind, whats the REAL point of paying for a Ring Of Smoke?
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 18:46:33
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p.s. my space-bar is seriously defected. this pc im now using is seriously defected. so any mistakes or lack of spaces, arent anything to do with myself, obviously, because im perfect in every way, whereas, my space-bar isnt!
so forgive those tiny mistakes thankyou muchly =] |
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haplo
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 18:49:45
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Yes, this has changed (temporarily or permanently I'm not sure) because of people targeting other people's 1st place high scores. Of course, you can still target someone by looking around the site, but having a list of all the games a person has 1st place on makes it too easy. Of course, the ring of smoke protected against this. However that doesn't help newer players who can't afford or haven't bought a ring of smoke yet. I agree that this was the best feature of the ring of smoke, however it is not the only feature. The code for the list of a player's 1st place scores has not been removed/deleted, it has just been temporarily disabled while I decide what direction to go. It's possible that this list on the history page could come back, it would only take me 30 seconds to bring it back as it has just been temporarily disabled, not deleted.
I am open to suggestions on how to solve this issue while still making the ring of smoke useful. How do you think it should work? |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 18:50:53
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| p.p.s. ive had 4 expresso's and im very keen to type and put my thoughts out there =] i also intend to have another 5-8 expresso's beforemy night is out =D |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:05:41
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for instance, should we penalise Lynnette for having the top spot for the most weeklys and dailys (tournaments) ?
No of course we shouldnt! she earnt them! its no one elses fault that she joined when the competition wasnt upto much.
but Lynnette will always hold those top spots.
So what do we do about it? penalise everyone for holding a top spot for however long?
if people are unhappy, then maybe they need to rethink their own complaints, rather than be angry at others whove earnt it. people work hard to achieve what they have. Dont hate the players, hate the game! |
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haplo
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:13:42
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I hear you and I agree with you. So you think I should just put the list of 1st place scores back on the history page? So that the ring of smoke serves a useful purpose like it did before? Or give the ring of smoke some other useful purpose and/or lower its cost?
I'm not going to penalize anyone for having a lot of 1st place scores, of course. Rather, getting rid of the 1st place scores list on the history page was to PROTECT people's 1st place scores. Particularly if someone is a newer player and only has a dozen or so 1st place scores, but can't afford a ring of smoke, I wanted to avoid the situation where someone might go to that player's page and try to beat all their 1st place scores all at once. That's the situation I was trying to avoid. Of course, you can still find games that a particular player has 1st place scores on, by browsing the games. But I was thinking it was wayyyyy too easy with a list on the history page of all the games you'd need to beat to target one player, a whole list of those all in one place.
Hmmmmmmm.... tough call. I really do like the ring of smoke being useful. But of course it is ultra expensive (from most player's perspectives anyway, you/melglora/rock are on a whole other level hehe). And I know it's gotta be frustrating for some people to log on and see 20 messages that a person has beaten all their 1st place scores all in a short period of time. |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:21:08
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The thing is, this is a pointless can of worms to be opened. players are good or medioka or just here for fun and not the competitive side of things.
i dont mean to be blunt, but, there is alot of manipulation via other players (who dont hold many highscores) and they -do- make it very difficult for the likes of the excellent players to hold onto their scores.
So why should it be made eaiser for them? it shouldnt. The ROS is pointless all the while their 1st place history catagory is removed.
dont get me wrong, if thats what will be, then so be it. however, those who complain know full well they haveno real valid reason other than, to complain.
its not fair play, its just penalising those who are good, and causes a realm of "jealousy", just no need. |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:36:22
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yes, put the 1st place catagory back to how it was, making the ROS worth while to purchase.
tell the people who are complaining, to be a tad more diplomatic before complaining to u, and -if- theres a REAL need to complain, (i.e. proof of cheating etc) then they have valid reason.
And maybe "rotate" thetop spots. every quarter, (3months or so). by way of giving the top spot to those whove achieved the "most" highscores within that period of time.
food for thought. that way, no one is penalised, its all about the hard work and effort people give, rather than the stagnent situation it is now. No one can complain then, can they....but they will lol |
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haplo
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:39:46
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So you think it's a good thing that it's difficult for excellent players to hold onto their 1st place scores? Because of the list of their 1st place scores on their history page (unless they have the ROS)
Hmmm maybe I agree with you.
Actually YOU were one of the ones that kind of made this an issue for me, because I know you have been losing a lot of your scores lately. Of course, you have the ROS but I was thinking other people might be in your situation and not have it. I'm very surprised to hear you arguing for the opposite of what I thought you would!
This is very educating for me... |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:55:18
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Ahhh, but u see, im ALL for a level playing field! i WANT everyone to achieve -something-!
I already achieved what i set out to do, i had over 13,000 first place highscores, im a ledgend in my own right for achieveing that, i dont need a "top players" list confirm it.
(i printed screen, and saved it for my own viewing leisure instead) =P
Maybe work out a quarterly rotary ratio, on a scale of wich player has got the most high scores that quarter, and rotate them accordingly.
Then no one can fret and vex the issue anymore. |
Edited by - toast on 07/14/2012 08:53:42 |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 19:57:34
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| ***1300 not 13,000 sorry! expresso! |
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melglora
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 20:26:36
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Since I've sold my ring of smoke before reading this post, considering it useless, I personally won't be buying one again. Hiding the high scores isn't worth it to me in the end anyway, if they're put back, (try and take them peoples :P) and so I'd just be spending money on hiding some great stats essentially, just to hide scores that people find hard to take anyway.
This idea, Toast, about showing 1st place high scores within a period of time, is brilliant. This has gotten out of hand, the first place high scores lists should be completely abolished and make it a temporary list. Take it off the player's profile pages, everything, it's more trouble than it's worth. It should be replaced by "1st place high scores achieved this month".
If there's no list, if there's no top ten, there's no problem. There's no complaining, there's no worrying about ANY of this, new players, old, crap, good, whatever.
It will be just as fun and rewarding, or MORE fun, to compete for it each month. Well done Toast.
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 20:50:59
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thanks mel. but people -will- still complain, even if the rotation is a good thing, people here will still moan, if it doesnt work out for them.
people also have to accept that this site is expanding, attracting more great players, etc, and that there will -always- be people better than the lower end of calibre of player, including myself.
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melglora
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:10:10
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It's hardly an issue if people complain about something that changes every month anyway.
If this is such an issue perhaps there should be more features put in place on the site for the not-so-good players, similar to the tournament ranking.
How about a kids section with baby games and easy goals, that if your stats are too high, you can't compete. |
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:22:49
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quote:
Originally posted by toast
most players all make lists of other players first place games anyway, i.e. Mr Rock hehe, and a few others (myself included), however, surely the entire point of purchasing the ring of smoke, was to protect their scores?
My dear Toast. Since my name was mentioned here, I feel I must respond in my own defence. Yes, I admit that I make lists. Numerous lists in multiple places. I have lists of EVERY game that I have EVER played here on PIOTW and how well (or bad) I played it. These multiple lists are of my OWN achievements, never the achievements of others. For instance, if I score in the top 50% I'll note that in a seperate folder so that I can come back later and use that same game in a Player's Challenge.
It is none of my concern if you or someone else has a first place score. That's your achievement. Your achievements are your business and therefore do not go onto my lists. |
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toast
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:23:43
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I've even stood back on certain leadership awards, tourneys and daily challenges and alike, for quite some time now.
i could -easily- go for them at times, but i havent, in order to allow others a chance. ive been quite laid back about it. But i wont get any credit for it will i lol.
Same as i dont think Lynnette should be penalised for holding the top spot on weeklys and dailys (tournaments). Although Mel is doing an amazing job catching up, in the short time its taken!
Players need to rethink, and come up with a real and fair resolve for all, rather than complaining over specific members. Its all about being patient. Things -Will- change over time. Changes happen progressively as players mature with their skills, and graduate further up the rankings etc.
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melglora
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:30:24
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There are already countless things a person can achieve on this site if they are bad at games.
Why expect any more than what can already be achieved here, if you're bad at GAMES on a GAMES site. Why get angry that you can't reach people's stats when you don't have the ability?
I'm not going to break an athlete's legs just so I can say that I can keep up.
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:34:35
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| My point of view? It's good to have achievements, awards, etc. But I really don't see the point of listing the specifics of what those achievements and awards are for. I think it's great that Toast has 1300 first place scores. That should be noted as Toast's accomplishment. But I really don't see the need to list the specific games. Simply say a player has "x" amount of first place scores and forget the game listing. |
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melglora
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 21:43:01
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| The simple tally of 1st place games creates enough problems. |
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melglora
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 22:40:14
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rockcastlecoky
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Posted - 03/31/2012 : 22:45:53
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First thing. The game i have been submitting for Player's Challenges come from my personal lists. The list I am using now came directly from this forum as it was posted here by Haplo. In the exact same order as Haplo posted it.. The last game I submitted was Stoneage santa . So the next game that I submit "should" be Sumo Snowmen . That is "if" I score high enough to submit it. It doesn't matter if you have scored first place or last place, Toast. Just follow the same list that I use. It was posted here by Haplo. Just submit the next games on that list yourself and beat me to submitting them.
I don't admit to being any great player. I never have and I never will. Just look at my scores for my own Player's Challenges. I have told Melglora this and I will now tell this to you Toast. I don't submit games to Player's Challenge to get the Gold. I ONLY submit the games to get the Gold for submitting the game. Nothing more. So I get the 20 Gold for submitting the game and I'm satisfied with that small amount.
I have also told you Toast (quite some time ago) that I keep lists of games to rate and e-mail. I rate games according to how I scored. The higher I score, the higher I rate the game.
I just call it being organized, rather than looking all over the site for a game that I haven't yet rated or e-mailed. |
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